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Old 11-14-2017, 02:12 PM
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5x08: "IAN GARVEY" Episode Discussion Thread (11/15/2017 @ 8PM)

5x08 | Ian Garvey
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FALL FINALE. When Tom (Ryan Eggold) goes missing, Liz (Megan Boone) desperately retraces his steps in order to find him. Meanwhile Red's (James Spader) hunt for the suitcase of bones puts him on a collision course with Tom that will change everyone's lives forever.
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Old 11-15-2017, 11:13 AM
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The fall finale! Can't wait to watch this tomorrow!
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:59 PM
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I can't wait either and I know exactly that I'll be suuuuuper disappointed about it afterwards because Tom won't be dead...
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Yeah. And Ian can't be the season big bad because we already have his name. He must be part of the bigger plot.
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We don't know what we will get in the another part of the season.
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Old 11-15-2017, 01:31 PM
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Do you think he might stick around for some longer? I really hope so because I somehow like him as the bad guy.
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:47 PM
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Excellent episode with a sad ending . so many moving parts at once . Tom was warned many times, look at everyone involved directly or indireclty with the bones , they where killed . could be becuase of Tom heroics I had no idea how critical liz's injury was .
Again they keep us hanging who's bones are they, Why was tom so shocked when he read the DNA results ...
Dembe said it best ot Red why do you keep lying ,peope get hurt , he needs to tell the truth .Mr Kaplan died trying to ruin expose Red .now Tom

I can say i got misty eyed when Red had to tell liz about Tom. biggest shock it was a time jump of 10 months ,from liz and tom severe injuries to liz waking up from a coma
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:16 PM
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He's dead, dead, dead, dead!!!!

I'm not happy, really not. Nope. Not at all!

I was so mad when Cooper said to Liz that he was sure Tom was doing something good. Why does Tom always get redeemed?

And yes, Tom, Red told you over and over to leave it alone. But do you listen? No. Let's meet at the apartment. No one will look for us there. REally Tom, really? Worst place to meet ever.

I really enjoyed the Red and Tom scenes. Red has never liked him and had the chance to tell him. And yet he knew Tom loved Liz and she loved him. He let him live because of Liz and if tom hadn't betrayed him to Berlin then Red probably would have left them alone.

Tom just made a string of bad decisions. Like Red said Tom has a way of getting in and out of trouble.

I loved when Dembe took Red's hand. Beautiful.

and a ten month time jump. so where are the bones? where is Garvey? and what has Red been doing? I love that he cared for Elizabeth. It was funny when she touched him and he jumped.

I cant figure out where we go from here. We still don't know who the bones belong to. Dembe thinks Red should tell Liz. I hope he listens and does. Its just so hard for him to do to trust anyone. And I'm sure Liz wont make it easy.

Ya know, the suitcase is rather small. Do you really think these bones belong to an adult?

And just a pet peeve, where was Agnes during the apartment shootout?
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Liz via what Tom called to meet told her get angus to the nanny …

True why not the train station public safer , even Red knew to go to the House

. Will Liz remember while laying on the floor with her head injury , that Garvey was asking Tom to call Red and get him to the house for the Bones ..

I did enjoy the bad guys playing Crosby stills and Nash 1982 song “ Southern cross “ as they laid down the plastic for liz and toms body !
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He's dead, dead, dead, dead!!!!
All through the episode I kept going, "Tom I hate you." "Tom shut up" "Tom, you hypocrite" "Tom, just die."

Frankly, I'm glad he's gone.

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Tom just made a string of bad decisions. Like Red said Tom has a way of getting in and out of trouble.
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I loved when Dembe took Red's hand. Beautiful.
I wanted to cry seeing Red sitting in the front seat, his eyes welling with tears!!

And Dembe!! OMG! That man is just a beautiful, caring soul through and through!
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What a fantastic episode!!!!! The best of the whole show (kidding).

I can't believe he really is gone... Will he really really really be gone? God, they finally came to their senses. And let me tell you this, I'm really happy that Agnes didn't die

Okay, back to Tom... I still have no idea what could be in that suitcase that it gets him killed I really have NO IDEA and it's frightening. Where is the suitcase now? Will we get these answers.
Tom really should have let go of it. But he couldn't and I kind of understand that. I really do. He really did it just because he loved Liz but that was over his head. He was warned so many times by Red to let go of it. For sure to some degree because Red wants to keep that a secret... But also because Red knew how dangerous it would be.
And you won't believe what I tell you now, but I really had tears in my eyes when he died there... I really felt sorry because no matter if I liked the character or not, Liz loved him, Red saw that, and he made her happy. It was sad to watch.

Red wasn't able to go into the hospital... A most wanted can't very well walk in there with the FBI, can he? People on the internet say he couldn't go in there because the last time he was in a hospital scene it was Liz dying. Such a crap if you ask me. It's simply because of his most wanted status and his secret work with the task force.

Dembe He was suuuuuper cute! He took Red's had

And even Dembe said that Red was lying to Liz... Interesting. Red really define the word 'lying' a lot differently than normal people it seems. Which disappointed me tbh. I bet he believes he is never lying but it seems he is actually.

I loved Samar asking Liz if she really knew what Tom was up to... Like 'Do you really know your husband?'. She was the word of sense here.

And seriously, a 10 months time jump????? Didn't see that coming?! What might have happened during all this time They really surprised me there. Is the task force still active? Did we miss blacklisters?
And yes, what does Liz remember....
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:59 AM
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OMFG! This episode will probably end up on my favorite episode list! They have outdone themselves with this one. I am still in shock!

Tom.. wow I can't believe that he is really dead. After 5 seasons. But damn is he really? I have a slight feeling he might come back and that this was all a dream. I really hope not i feel so sorry for Liz and Agnes because they loved him but like what all of you already said, Red warned him over and over again and I get that his curiosity got the best of him and that he wanted to be able to tell Liz the truth but look where it got him now.. I still can't believe that we got what we wanted for so long.

Loved the Tom/Red scenes and I loved the flashbacks to the Major and Tom and Liz's first wedding. Red admitting that he saw that Liz loved him so much was good. And he finally got to say what he wanted to Tom for so long.

I cried so hard during the part when Liz and Tom were brought to the hospital! I was so scared Liz was going to die as well. That song playing and seeing everybody's faces, Ressler, Samar, Aram, that killed me. I was crying so hard. and the fact that Red couldn't go into the hospital killed me too. He couldn't be with his own daughter. And for the reasons you listed Kris. Why do people think he didn't go into the hospital because of Liz's fake death? Hello, he is the most wanted man of America, he can't just walk in a hospital like that..

The time jump. Hello.. Did not see that coming at all! I really want to know what happened in those 10 months in between! I can't for the show to come back so we can see. We never had a time jump like this before so I am very curious as to why they did it.

and WHO IS IN THE SUITCASE??!!! Tom knew.. but we still don't and since Tom is dead I don't think we will find out soon.
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I actually thought that Tom is still alive and Red is holding him captive somewhere. Please no! I didn't think about it being a dream. That could be true as well. If this is another fake death??? The only thing is Red said he was dead and he doesn't lie to Liz. So he has to be dead right.... unless Liz is dreaming?

I loved that she woke up when Red said something about being the captain of his destiny. It reminded me of the shipping container scene.

Kris I agree about the bones. I think it's more than Red just not wanting Liz to know. It has to be. I can see if he killed Katarina and didn't want Liz to know. But why would all these other people care. And how would they know this. It just feels like there's more to it. It has a lot of danger involved like Red has always said.

I also think about Tom saying that knowing the identity of the bones made Tom know everything. What is everything? Everything? How would knowing he killed Katarina make you know everything. Or knowing this is the real Red? Seems like either answer would give more questions.

And I truly believe Red being in Lizs life can all be traced to Tom. Red was at the wedding. He was going to kill Tom. He didn't. If Tom hadn't aligned himself with Berlin in order to destroy Red, then Red would not have come into their lives. Red had no choice because Berlin would sos come after Liz.

I loved Ssmars statement too about Tom.

I have to say that I know this is just tv. But for killers to stop killing and take time to play a song! I mean really. You need to get the killing done. Good thing I'm not the boss. I know that was just a plot to give Tom time to get up but if you need to kill someone you don't take your time.

I thought the same thing when Garvey left Tom alive at the shack. I thought that if you went to kill him. You should have done it and not give him time to escape.
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very obvious at the end of the episode Tom was in the morgue on a slab , as the director made sure his toe tag was right and into the freezer he went .

This clip of when Liz wakes up and red has to tell her plus the morgue scene with Harold Copper

Unlike last season no people coming back from the dead. Tom was already badly injured and then stabbed in the side like 5-6 times ..
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:09 AM
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Jon Bokenkamp assured in a couple of interviews that Tom is really really dead. That is why the last shot of the episode is him in the morgue. Because of Liz's fake death, the writers wanted us to know that this time it is an actual death. So no worries Marilyn. He is really dead.

I am dying to know (sorry no pun intended.) what Tom read in the DNA results. I wish we could have known too. Now he will take it to his grave.

You are right Marilyn. If would have held himself to the rules that The Major and Red set up then Red would have never come into their lives.

When Garvey's guy put up that song I was like; are you kidding me? You are preparing to kill people and you put up that song? It bugged me tbh. That song took away from the scene. They should have put a more powerful or sad song under it.

Oh and when Garvey's guys put Lena through that hack machine. OMG I couldn't look! I can't believe Tom didn't even flinch when that happened.

Thanks for posting those clips Matt. I re-watched that scene where Tom and Liz are in the car to the hospital 3 times now and I keep crying.
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